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Are there any bilingual people around that can translate this page to Spanish?


https://wiki.libsdl.org/MigrationGuide


--ryan.


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I could probably do it during this weekend. I might need help with what we call “neutral spanish” but it should be understandable enough.


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On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Ryan C. Gordon wrote:

I can help with reviewing/translating, although my spanish is not very neutral since I am chilean.


Greetings,

Ronie Salgado


2015-01-22 19:48 GMT-03:00 Iván Vodopiviz:

Thanks, Iván and Ronie!


--ryan.



On Jan 22, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Ronie Salgado wrote:

ive been in mexico a year and can blag tacos in Mexican English
language I call punxican

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Ryan C. Gordon wrote:
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I immediately regret this decision he he. Unfortunately, I didn’t have a much free time during the weekend as I expected, but I *did* get a bunch of this translated already. 


I’ll probably get a first draft ready tomorrow but I must admit it’s been a lot more difficult than I expected: there are *a lot* of terms I’d use in english even while talking in spanish, so I don’t really know their spanish equivalent. In any case, I’ll probably ask for help with corrections here as soon as I get the draft ready.


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On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Neil White wrote:

It's okay, go as far as you can, and post it, and other people will be
happy to look at it!

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So, first draft it is: https://ivodopiviz.github.io/SDL-2-Migration-Guide/


Yes, it's GitHub pages, yes, a wiki would be better but I don't have one handy. You can see the full Markdown source here: https://github.com/ivodopiviz/ivodopiviz.github.io/blob/master/_posts/2015-01-25-SDL-2-Migration-Guide.md (it looks even nicer than the actual website). I'm having trouble getting syntax highlighting to work, so I'm using standard MD for that.


Please don't hesitate to send corrections, comments or whatever directly to me by mail or use the comment system at the website. Technically speaking, you *can* fork the website and create an issue / pull request combo. Not sure how practical that is, but I'll merge patches alright.


Cheers,





On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Ryan C. Gordon wrote:



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I am going to perform a review check on this later.

BTW, a typical error that just popped to my eyes is to translate "library" as "librería". In Spanish, "librería" is a bookstore, when a library is actually a "biblioteca"


Greetings,
Ronie


2015-01-29 0:04 GMT-03:00 Iván Vodopiviz:

Yeah, I tend to agree with you. I'm a little torn on this one though, I've seen plenty of sources using the term "librería". Wikipedia, however seems to favor "biblioteca" for its SDL entry in spanish so I should probably go with that.

This is a good example of why I don't read programming stuff in spanish: lots of different terms for the same thing: "fichero" / "archivo", "cliquear / "pinchar", etc.


Cheers,


On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Ronie Salgado wrote:



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2015-01-29 0:23 GMT-03:00, Ronie Salgado:

And whenever this is pointed out, I also point out that "language" in
Spanish is "idioma", yet when it comes to programming everybody
translates it as "lenguaje". Jargon doesn't necessarily have to
translate the same way as common idiom does.

Honestly I'd argue that when it comes to programming both "biblioteca"
and "librería" should be considered synonyms (i.e. just use whichever
you want), the problem is that in practice people end up in a
religious war on which term has to be used and things come to a stall
-_-'

2015-01-29 1:19 GMT-03:00, Iván Vodopiviz:

Spain for some reason decided that it has to have completely different
terms than the rest of the Spanish-speaking world does (case in point:
"flip-flop" in Spain's Spanish is "váscula"... wtf?). This kind of
stuff is also why localization takes into account the region, not just
the language.

For the record, "to click" is a mess to translate. In Spain it's
"pinchar", in Mexico it's "clicar", in Argentina it's "cliquear", etc.
I think "hacer click" is more universal but I'm not sure.
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Except that “click” uses english syntax  


Personally, I find “pinchar” and “biblioteca” absolutely horrendous. Even the Wikipedia entry about SDL at some point used “librería" instead of “biblioteca”.


In any case, I have much better things to do than fight a language-related holy war. If the guide serves its purpose to make it easier for spanish speakers to migrate to SDL2, then cool


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On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Sik the hedgehog wrote:

I think it's a very good start.

If those that speak Spanish can say about small vocabulary issues like
this, we can make a quick decision and post it.

Is it just the translation of "library" and a handful of other things in
question at this point?

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"Ryan C. Gordon" writes:


IMHO using either term does not hinder the usefulness of the guide.
Usually, even commercial software like VS change their translation of
words such as "library" or "linker" from version to version.

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So should we post it as it currently stands? Unless there are serious
concerns mentioned this week, I'll do that.

Thanks,
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Just FYI, I merged a pull request with corrections, applied some changes talked here at the list, fixed some stuff myself and added syntax highlighting to every code snippet.


Syntax highlighting was the last “serious” issue I had with the article. The general layout of the blog irks me more than it should, but that won’t be fixed very soon.


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On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Ryan C. Gordon wrote:

On 02/02/2015 03:38 PM, Iván Vodopiviz wrote:

So it's time to move it to the wiki?

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I don't have any objections.


Cheers,


On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Ryan C. Gordon wrote:



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I posted it, after tweaking the markup back to wiki format.

https://wiki.libsdl.org/GuiaDeMigracion

Let me know if I broke anything.

If you want your name on this page anywhere, let me know, or feel free
to give yourself credit if you want write access.

Thanks!

--ryan.



On 2/3/15 9:21 PM, Iván Vodopiviz wrote:

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Oh, I thought you’d just link to it just like you did with the french guide. In any case, looks fine to me.


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On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 3:39 AM, Ryan C. Gordon wrote:

On 02/09/2015 10:54 AM, Iván Vodopiviz wrote:

Oh, sorry, I thought the GitHub was a temporary work copy; would you
rather it be there? I can change the wiki to point to it.

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Nah, it’s fine, this way other people can edit it without having to fork my website


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On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Ryan C. Gordon wrote: